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Hope
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All great religions, in order to escape absurdity, have to admit a dilution
of agnosticism. It is only the savage, whether of the African bush or the
American gospel tent, who pretends to know the will and intent of God exactly
and completely.
H.L. Mencken, Damn! A Book of Calumny, (1918)
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Recent discussion with Pete August 2006.
Peter. Hi Mike, As mentioned I was brought up Strict
Catholic in a blue collar city (it was once known for
Anthracite Coal Mining - something my Grandfathers did). It
seems back in the early 60's we were blinded into accepting
religion, mostly sin, guilt, and fear. The Catholic Church
was very strict back then, my parents are still devout
Catholics. I would never want to burst their bubble
regarding their beliefs. The church never taught us
Christianity in an intelligent manner. It was memorization
and no questions asked. I remember when I was about eleven
someone asked the nun what would heaven be like, she said,
"we will all be around Jesus praying to him", I was very
disappointed and of course felt guilty. I wanted to play
baseball with my friends in heaven and have the prettiest
girlfriend.
One thing about the church is if you do a search on the Web
Site for "Catholic Doctrine" you will find a very
intelligent presentation of the church's beliefs something
we were never exposed to growing up.
Why am I a skeptic? A few reasons: (1) There was nothing in
the teachings of Christianity that wasn't stated in prior
religions (I haven't read the "Christ Conspiracy" but a
summary, (2) The stories of Christ seemed to be more
incredible when he died then when he was alive, (3) Contrary
to what I was told Christianity did not grow because of the
Holy Spirit within man, but through force and brutality and
(4) if we had to create a god (and we did) we would have
wanted a just, loving, and one who would have given us an
eternity in paradise.
I look at Jesus Christ the way I look at Santa Claus there
is no one on this planet who wishes both stories were true
more then your truly.
On the other hand, I feel and even a few scientist feel that
this planet is so complex it is hard to believe we just
evolved. It would be nice to believe there is a creator.
One thing we do disagree on might be politics I sympathize
to the far right. Here is a question, do you believe in
integration among races, if so, when in history did
integration excel? Thank you for your time.
G’day Pete
Thanks for you comment. Your point is not only a
good one, but also a very profound one. The cliché’s that
roll off people’s tongues just don’t cut it when these sorts
of problems arise. Personally, I think that it is much
easier to understand and appreciate the world in which we
live without God. If we are the result of random chance
then this randomness explains the injustice we see much
better. The problem with the traditional ideas of God is
that it raises more questions about why terrible injustice
continues.
Even if we do live in a so called random world, then we
still need to fight injustice. Unfortunately, religion is
often, not always, the source of injustice. In
I’m still curious how you heard about the site and where
you’re from.
Anyway, your story is interesting and I’d still like to know
more. Personally, I think everyone should write their story
down and keep a record of it. I admire people who can keep
diaries.
You say it would be nice to believe there is a creator.
Well there may well be a or a number of so-called creators.
Either way it doesn’t really bother me.
As for our positions on politics. Firstly, questions often
reveal something about a person that many other
characteristics do not. I love questions and the more we
ask the better we understand life.
I think disagreements are fine as long as we can agree that
we have grounds for disagreement. I get frustrated with
people who disagree but have no basis for their
disagreement. Am I making sense?
You question is a good one and probably needs to be broken
down even further.
Your question was “Do you believe in integration among
races, if so, when in history did integration excel?”
I am an idealist and also a pragmatist. So I like to thing
that as well as having dreams about a better life I also am
practical about things. I know only too well that it is
difficult to find a so-called balance.
So I do believe in integration and see it as an ideal that
has many benefits and advantages. I am a person of Irish,
Scottish, German and English family lines who lives in
Australia, has adopted and integrated into a multicultural
community. So even though I am ethnically speaking, a
European, I have adopted many of the Asian elements into our
family’s way of life, both near and far East.
In terms of my own integration with races or cultures it has
been successful. Australia was founded on
multiculturalism. The first fleet of European ships
contained 11 nationalities. The country had two basic
religious cultures in Protestantism and Catholicism at its
foundations, which has grown further after the second world
war. Australia is the second most multicultural nation on
the earth (per capita) and is in my estimation one of many
success stories of historical integration. There are no
doubt, those who would disagree. There have been and always
will be problem groups and circumstances that happen. Some
people, regardless of their ethnicity, will always be badly
behaved.
I have friends who were born in Persia (Iran), have come to
Australia and have integrated and become wonderful
Australians. They still retain parts of their culture but
at the same time have rejected many elements of it and
adopted some of the Australia culture.
Here are the words to one of our favourite anthems. It
encapsulates what Australia is in terms of being one nation
with many cultures.
I came from the dreamtime from
the dusty red soil plains
I am the ancient heart, the keeper of the flame
I stood upon the rocky shore
I watched the tall ships come
For forty thousand years I'd been the first Australian.
I came upon the prison ship
bowed down by iron chains.
I cleared the land, endured the lash and waited for the
rains.
I'm a settler.
I'm a farmer's wife on a dry and barren run
A convict then a free man I became Australian.
I'm the daughter of a digger
who sought the mother lode
The girl became a woman on the long and dusty road
I'm a child of the depression
I saw the good times come
I'm a bushy, I'm a battler
I am Australian
[chorus]
We are one, but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come
We share a dream and sing with one voice:
I am, you are, we are Australian
I am, you are, we are Australian.
I'm a teller of stories
I'm a singer of songs
I am Albert Namatjira
I paint the ghostly gums
I am Clancy on his horse
I'm Ned Kelly on the run
I'm the one who waltzed Matilda
I am Australian
I'm the hot wind from the
desert
I'm the black soil of the plains
I'm the mountains and the valleys
I'm the drought and flooding rains
I am the rock, I am the sky
The rivers when they run
The spirit of this great land
I am Australian
There are of course the horror
stories of racial integration, like in Germany. Then there
are the problems in the middle East which, in my opinion,
stem from the random and thoughtless moulding of single
nations from multiple ethic groups. You can’t just draw a
line around a group of nations and hope to mould them into
one cohesive nation overnight. That will never work and
will always have severe and long lasting problems attached
to it.
I could go on a lot more but
will leave you with those few thoughts to chew over and
respond to. I will add the comments to the site in the next
day or two.
Please keep in touch as I can
see it will be profitable for both of us to continue this
discussion. Regards Mike
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